MidEast Peace: The Truth Hurts: 1929 Riots

OK: You want the truth?

Arab/Palestinian hostility to Israel, (and I maintain; blatent anti-Semitic) behavior dates WAY back before the establishment of the state of Israel in 1948.

In 1929, arabs rioted, and killed (129(?*) jews), in a town called Hebron . Hebron is now in
what is called 'disputed territory'.

When this happened in the late 1800's and early 20th century, we called this a "POGROM".

This is NOT a question of simply continuing to exclude palestinians.

It is REALLY about the 1948 UN partition plan. Which was NEVER EVER accepted by ANY arab country.

UNTIL this peace plan (originally proposed in 1948--search my blog for 'mideast UN')
is ACCEPTED by all the MUSLIM AND arab countries there can be NO peace in the mid-east.


When the arab world FINALLY accepts the right of ISRAEL to exist as a country (as proposed in 1948) THEN we can continue on the road to peace.

Until then, it is only a PIECE that Israel wants; a piece of paper with a SIGNATURE on it, saying yes, we agree that there should be two states.


OH yes, I agree that there will be some problems.


1) getting arab/muslim acceptance will be tough.
2) Agreeing that there should be TWO states is a good start; but there will be more problems too!
3) Joint administration of Jerusalem? Jordan failed in 19 years of rule. Not one Jew was ever able to visit. Israel has shown that this will work, as we have been completely open.
4) LAND of the two states. I will leave this for another message, at another time, because JORDAN annexed 50% of the future state of PALESTINE, and will need to FINALLY give it back!!!

cheers

...pass it on...


* corrections welcomed on the exact number killed. This is from memory...

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OK, you wanted a Political discussion: Here goes.

The background I believe that:
* We're HEADING into a DEPRESSION. We're (now) IN a depression!
* It's going to be as BAD as the last one.
* I call this Depression 2.0
* The current failures only bring us 25% into the problem!!
* According to Robert Reich (former Sec'y of Labor under Clinton): The only number that he EVER saw, defining the
depression was that the unemployment rate hovered around 25%.
* We need a new deal.
* After 58 years of NO Health Care Reform (since 1950!) it will FINALLY be coming soon...
* We've managed to WASTE a FULL generation (from Zero to thirty) with decaying social, educational, and interpersonal skills.
* Our nation is no longer DOING (producing) anything.
SO, from these few premises, I have extrapolated a great deal of items to FIX our society...

But....
We need to make sure that a number of issues are resolved ALL at once.
If we don't do them ALL at once, its like juggling three RUNNING chain saws, but dropping one!

Here's what I came up with:

We need to do the FOLLOWING to FIX our Society:
* Create A Living Wage
* Create a National Single payer Healthcare
* Create a National 3-4 year draft (or alternate service)
* Create a Federally paid Day Care starting at six months
* Implement Tax Reform on the ULTRA Rich
* Lobbying (Political Reform)
* Education
* Infrastructure (road /bridge/Systems repairs)
* Lack of Training/futures
* Truth and Reconcilliation Commission
* A new "Manhattan" project, focusing on Energy INDEPENDENCE

See my other blog: http://sos-newdeal.blogspot.com for more details.

MidEast: The Ultimate Peace Plan

How's this for an idea?

The ultimate solution for the Middle East (read Israel/Arab states) problem.

It's simple, not a one state solution, but a two state solution.

Hey, going back to the 1969 borders isn't good... Going back to the 1967 borders ISN'T enough

It's time to go back to the 1948 borders.

Yes, I said the

1948 borders

That is the Two state solution proposed by the United Nations in 1948.
Two separate states, one Jewish, one Arab for the solution of the mandate administered by Great Britain.

History

In 1918, (World War I), the Allied Powers defeated the Turkish (Ottoman) Empire, and created today's modern middle east.

Complete with the Oil crisis, (hint: Lawrence of Arabia was after oil!), political mis-deeds, and ignoring the desires of the local population, the British rule of the
Palestinian Territory (or the British Mandate, as it is commonly known) was a terrible crisis in itself.

Arab resentment against Jews did not start in 1967 after Israel occupied the West Bank. No, there were "pogroms", against the Jewish settlers of Palestine as early as 1919.

In one especially memorable moment, a future leader we'd one day call, "Sir", took the political initiative to take one of the leaders of the Arab riots against the Jews, and offer him a very sweet deal to leave. The highest authority of the land, British High Commissioner Winston Churchill decided to offer the instigator of this riot land, (far away from the riot's location in Jerusalem) if he would go there for good.

Unfortunately, this arbitrary decision by Sir Winston forever ruined the effective two state solution, because he took exactly half of the mandate's territory, and gave it to the Mufti of Jerusalem, in what became the state of Trans-Jordan. (Today known as Jordan).


More on 1948
The UN in 1948 understood that the two sides needed to be separated.
That is why they offered one quarter of the remaining mandate territory to both sides, for an equal Jewish and Arab state.

Jews Yes, Arabs No.
Well you know the rest. The Jews chose to call this land Israel. The Arabs chose to NOT take the land, figuring they could kill all the jews and take ALL of the land instead.

Guess who lost? Not the Jews, but the Jews. Well, technically we won, but we lost, since we didnt have anyone that wanted to acknowledge that we actually existed.

Fast forward 1948 to 1956.
War Number two: Over the Suez canal and Sinai.
Israel captured the canal, as well as the entire sinai after a second war was declared. Israel made the mistake of listening to the world powers and giving back the land captured, hoping for peace

Fast Forward 1956 to 1967
War number three. Once every ten years. This time Israel destroyed the entire Egyptian air force on the ground. We captured much of the territory that was mandated by the UN to be JEWISH land in the 1948 plan.

Fast Forward: 1980 Israel again gives back large amounts of land for peace
We gave the ENTIRE Sinai desert back to Egypt, in return for what is today called a "cold" peace...

The Ultimate peace Plan?
Use the 1948 borders. Tell the arabs that all arab nations must agree to this.
take the LAND from the 1948 proposal and give to the Palestinians.

Unfortunately, for Jordan, a good deal of that land was annexed (stolen) from the Palestinian state by Jordan in 1948, when they declared war on the new state of Israel.

Perhaps we should also go back and undo the 1924 granting of half of the mandate's land mass to trans-jordan...(aka jordan).


Duh... The real peace is with the 1948 borders, when the ARAB states agree to what was proposed SEVENTY years ago.

They could have had peace seventy years ago.... but chose to act as the oppressed peoples instead.

Let's go for 1948 as our peace solution!

Carter: GO HOME

You HAVEN't helped the peace process.

Hugging a 'known terrorist'

Laying a wreath at the grave of someone who assassinated 13 Israeli Athletes in 1972??


If he really cared about the Palestinians, he would have FORCED Egypt to
TAKE back the Gaza Strip in the 1979/1980 Peace Treaty between Egypt and Israel.

Did you know Israel was DESPERATE to get rid of the ENTIRE Gaza strip in 1980???

And now... Israel is no longer in the Gaza Strip,, and what happens??

The (law-loving) Palestinians in the Gaza strip:

(still) Shoot rockets into Israel
RIOT, and tear down the border into Egypt, and shoot at egyptian army when they
tried to close the border...

STILL claim that israel is in charge, despite the fact that they FORCIBLY removed all THE Jewish residents of the Gaza Strip, and GAVE the land to the Palestinians.

And now, one of the fertile farm lands that was in Gaza, is now ruined...
They had a ongoing, VIABLE tomato farming operation that exported to Europe.

Now??? it's back to the Desert it was (before 1967) for the past thousand years.

In general, the 'arab' occupants of the Biblicial state of Israel have a PRETTY poor
track record on farming, and keeping the land from becoming desert again...

OiL Prices too! : 2007 update

Quick I told you so!


Look HERE

I Said (4/17/06) OIL would be $89-$95 per barrel by December 31st 2006.

So I was off by a year....

Hmmm...

Look at the rest of the top 10 predictions:

1 True
2 True
3 True
4 true
5 True
6 True
7 False (so far)
8 True
9 False (vista did go out, much to our frustration!)
10 False
11 (bonus) Half true. He did the Surge thing and brought 10% of 500,000 troops in!


Wow. I scare myself sometimes, now included

MidEasT: Urban Planning 2,000 years ago!

Shades of the game"Adventure" !

2,000 years ago, the designers of the city of Jerusalem dug a drainage channel under Jerusalem.

The channel was dug beneath what would become the main road of Jerusalem.

The Israel Antiquities Authority, said excavators looking for the road happened upon a small drainage channel that led them to the discovery of the massive tunnel two weeks ago.

"We were looking for the road and suddenly we discovered it," Shukron said. "And the first thing we said was, 'Wow.'"

The walls of the tunnel made of stones 3 feet deep reach a height of 10 feet in some places and are covered by heavy slabs that were the road's paving stones, Shukron said. Several manholes are visible, and portions of the original plastering remain, he said.

Pottery shards, vessel fragments and coins from the end of the Second Temple period were also discovered inside the channel, attesting to its age, Reich said.

The discovery of the drainage channel was momentous in itself, a sign of how the city's rulers looked out for the welfare of their citizens by developing an infrastructure that drained the rainfall and prevented flooding, Reich said.

The discovery "shows you planning on a grand scale, unlike other cities in the ancient Near East," said Joe Zias, an expert in the Second Temple period who was not involved in the dig.

But what makes the channel doubly significant is its role as an escape hatch for Jews desperate to flee the conquering Romans, the dig's directors said. `

As Jerusalem was being conquered by the Romans in 70 A.D., numerous people took shelter in the drainage channel and lived inside it until they fled Jerusalem through its southern end, the historian Josephus Flavius wrote in "The War of the Jews." (who by the way was what is called an apostate (a Jew who converted!)

"It was a place where people hid and fled to from burning, destroyed Jerusalem," Shukron said.

Tens of thousands of people lived in Jerusalem at the time, but it is not clear how many used the channel to escape, he said.

About 100 yards of the channel have been uncovered so far. Archeologists think the tunnel leads to the Kidron River, which empties into the Dead Sea.

Mark here again...

WOW.
Not only did the city have the water tunnel, but a drainage tunnel too?

MidEasT: Israel Vs. The Arab world (redux)

Jeez.

Didn't we already go through a multi-front war in

1. 1948 When Every arab nation attacked the newly declared state of Israel?
2. 1956 When the Egytpians kicked the UN out of The Sinai, and then attacked Israel?
3. 1967 When Israel was again attacked by Lebanon Syria, Jordan and Egyptian Borders?

Well.
If they want it, (so the leader of Hizbollah) claims, WE will be HAPPY to fight them BACK.

Remember ONE thing here.

We didn't start the FIRE

It was started by the Palestianians when they kidnapped an Israeli Soldier in an attack on ISRAEL proper.

I think it's time to start bombing Syria Again....

Perhaps we need to reconsider the 1948 UN two state solution?!!!!

In which the UN took the British Mandate land, and split it into two and Created a Jewish State, and a PALESTINIAN state.


TAKE the DAMNED land back from JORDAN, and EVERYONE move back there.

Oh, and we can go back to undo a silly arab-o-phile (lawrence of Arabia) type decision to give a friend over one third of the land that they were then taking care of for future nations.

SO this decision was made to give a POLITICAL contact, control over this huge tract of land for POLITICAL considerations, and this guy forms the "HASHEMITE kingdom of Jordan"

YES JORDAN itself is a politicial creation, engineered by that "GREAT" (?) Politician of WWII, SIR Winston Churchhill. I really think that this needs to be part of the two state decision, and make JORDAN AND the other part into the PALESTINIAN land, and let them all leave israel ALONE...


YOU CAN affect the WORLD....

TELL people that you want a TWO state solution to the Palestinian Problem... BUT NOT with the 1967 borders. TELL PEOPLE that you want to implement the UN's 1948 two state solution!

And if they ask, it was the ARAB (PALESTINIANS) who chose to fight all this time, and NOT Israel!!!!


Markbnj